Decision day tomorrow

I am re-blogging this post here due to the momentous nature of the decision we face tomorrow. It is not meant to cause offence, or to generate bitter arguments. It is just a blog post…

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The debate about the EU referendum here has hotted up considerably over the last week. Last night, I watched a debate on BBC News 24, attended by over six thousand people. Each side had three speakers to plead their case, and to answer questions from the audience. In amongst all the mud-slinging, the counter allegations and accusations, real facts were few and far between. But there can be no real facts, simply because nobody really knows what will happen if this country votes to leave the EU. They can only presume, surmise, or scare-monger. The speakers wanting us to leave also quoted huge sums of money that would be saved, and how borders will be secured, as well as jobs suddenly becoming available for the millions of unemployed here. But they are also making presumptions that cannot be backed up with facts.

The young people were unduly preoccupied with freedom…

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19 thoughts on “Decision day tomorrow

  1. I’m so shocked by the result but I think it was the right one. We all need to stick together now and see what the negotiations bring us xxx (and an extra one for luck) X

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    1. I’m very happy, Em, though a little surprised. I really believe that it was a momentous decision, and a great one for ‘ordinary people’ too. I will be posting about it later, but for now, here are four large! XXXX

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      1. Four large!!! Have them right back! XXXX

        I’m pleased too. I was surprised, but pleased. Of course it’s nerve wracking but if we never took a risk, where would we be? I think a lot of is fear mongering and I have faith in our great country 🙂
        XXX (yep, three more!)

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  2. If the UK votes to stay in the EU, but only by a small margin, will there be yet another vote in the not-too-distant future? Sometimes it’s a matter of momentum…. Or “if at first you don’t succeed, try, try again.”

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    1. This is -apparently- it, David. A once in a lifetime chance to get out. Looks like the Swedes, and a lot of Germans, want to have a referendum to vote to leave too. If we get out, they might well follow. But we probably won’t…
      Best wishes, Pete.

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  3. And btw, Greece is perfectly safe…. As for the referendum, far be it from me to tell the Brits what to think, but this is just my opinion: when something is not working properly, as we can all agree Europe isn’t, we should work to fix it, not scupper it. Think of what’s at stake in the wider scheme of things in today’s world.

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    1. A fair point, M.L., and I am sure that Greece is very safe too.

      Watching the news here tonight, it seems that the vote to remain will win, nobody really doubts that. One interesting thing is that Sweden is now asking for a referendum on leaving, should Britain vote to go. There are also German politicians who think that they should get a referendum on leaving too. The vote here will be swayed by Scotland, Wales, and the south-east, all areas wanting to stay in.

      It would be an ideal solution to stay in, and fix it from within. Personally, I don’t think that will ever be possible. At least not in my lifetime. To be honest, I don’t even feel British, let alone European. I am definitely English, and within that, a Londoner. I was all in favour of Scottish independence, and Welsh Independence, and so on… This is far from being a United Kingdom, I assure you.

      Very best wishes, Pete.

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      1. I know it’s idealistic and long experience with politicians has shown me it is, but somewhere I must be an optimist. Good post, though, Pete, it stirred up some debate! Regards, Marina

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  4. Well, I’ve been visiting Europe and have lived in the UK so I am interested in this topic. As an American, I’m not savvy regarding the intricacies of the debate, but I did find this article in The Guardian interesting. Its bias is toward staying in the EC, but I liked the questions posed.
    Also, I will say I feel stupid — when I was last in London, 2007, Englanders were not using the Euro. I thought they weren’t in the EU. There were, I think, seven or so (?) territories in Ireland that belonged in the EU.
    I’ll be traveling to Greece and the Islands on July 8 for 10 days. I’ve heard of the bad economic state of Greece. It will be interesting to see and hear natives discussing the EU debate.

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/22/eu-referendum-five-questions-to-answer-before-you-vote

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    1. Hi Cindy.
      Ireland as a country is a full member of the EU. The six counties in the North, known formerly as ‘The Province’ are still a part of Great Britain, and ruled from Westminster.
      Most newspapers, many of the liberals and intelligentsia, and almost all of those under say, 25, are for staying in the EU. You won’t find many articles in favour of leaving, as this desire stems mainly from the Left, the working-classes, and at the opposite end of the spectrum, the old-school Tories and the rich. It is an unusual divide, to be sure.
      Let us know what you think of Greece. Are you aware that Lesbos is being partly used as a place for holding refugees? Should be interesting.
      Best wishes, Pete.

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      1. Yes, this trip has stirred worry over the Syrian refugees. We won’t be anywhere near Lesbos. However, that means little. The educational traveling company I work with has taken safety precautions in the form of insurance. Trips still go to Paris. The philosophy of discontinuing travel for fear of something happening goes against my personal saying “9 out of 10 things you worry about don’t come true.” I wouldn’t rush into the war zone, don’t get me wrong, but I’m not letting the bad claim my life. No one would go anywhere and they’d win, wouldn’t they, the terrorists.

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        1. I agree completely, Cindy. I would never refuse to travel because of ‘just in case.’ After the attacks in London, everyone was determined to carry on commuting just the same, and I think we can all agree with that.
          I just mentioned Lesbos, as if you had visited, it might have been an interesting opportunity to see the problem at first hand.
          Best wishes, Pete.

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